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Using the Equator Planisphere from Science Centre

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Hi guys,

I just brought a Equator Planisphere specifically for SIngapore from the Science Centre. I also watch one of the YouTube recommended by Gary. I saw the demonstrating guy mentioning the use of a "Overhead Reference Point" on the Planisphere which is directly above our head so that beginner can better estimate the star location as we may not be able to pick a reference star that other is using ?

Can I say that the Overhead Point is roughly at the center of the equator line which just happen to be the turning pivot of the Equator Planisphere for Singapore? Hope i am not confusing everybody with this long post. :)

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alanchua wrote:Hi guys,

I just brought a Equator Planisphere specifically for SIngapore from the Science Centre. I also watch one of the YouTube recommended by Gary. I saw the demonstrating guy mentioning the use of a "Overhead Reference Point" on the Planisphere which is directly above our head so that beginner can better estimate the star location as we may not be able to pick a reference star that other is using ?

Can I say that the Overhead Point is roughly at the center of the equator line which just happen to be the turning pivot of the Equator Planisphere for Singapore? Hope i am not confusing everybody with this long post. :)

Alan
I'm not sure what you mean?? Which YouTube video are you looking at??

Anyway, the turning pivot (the hole in the middle) of the Planisphere is the North or South depend on which side... Check out this website... although not for Singapore, but the principle is the same:
http://astronomy.sierracollege.edu/cour ... sphere.htm

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I have recommended a few youtube videos. :) Perhaps you can mentioned the specific one with a url link?

One way to learn about more about the celestial sphere is to use Stellarium (http://www.stellarium.org).

Toggle on the Equatorial Grid option [E] at the bottom menu. Now speed up the time and watch the animation. Click and drag around the view and observe the animation from North South East West. Also zoom in and out and observe the movement of the grid.

Do this 3 for different locations, one higher up in the north (e.g. Japan), one further south (e.g. Australia), one near equator (e.g. Singapore).
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Hi Gary

Thanks for the advice. The youtube I am referring to is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... bz3QnAbzFM

The guy was mentioning about the blue cross when he demonstrate and he say that this is actually directly above our head. :)

Reason why I am asking is if I am using the manual way to locate stars, I may not know where a particular star is on the real sky with reference to the planisphere. :)


Gary wrote:I have recommended a few youtube videos. :) Perhaps you can mentioned the specific one with a url link?

One way to learn about more about the celestial sphere is to use Stellarium (http://www.stellarium.org).

Toggle on the Equatorial Grid option [E] at the bottom menu. Now speed up the time and watch the animation. Click and drag around the view and observe the animation from North South East West. Also zoom in and out and observe the movement of the grid.

Do this 3 for different locations, one higher up in the north (e.g. Japan), one further south (e.g. Australia), one near equator (e.g. Singapore).
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alanchua wrote:Hi Gary

Thanks for the advice. The youtube I am referring to is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... bz3QnAbzFM

The guy was mentioning about the blue cross when he demonstrate and he say that this is actually directly above our head. :)

Reason why I am asking is if I am using the manual way to locate stars, I may not know where a particular star is on the real sky with reference to the planisphere. :)
Hi,
OK... we usually call that "Zenith". Basically, the Planisphere's turning pivot represent the Pole (North or South), so the zenith will be located nearer to the Planisphere's turning pivot if it's for country closer to the pole (North or South) and away from the Planisphere's turning pivot for country further away from the pole. I haven't look at the equator Planisphere, but it's should be located somewhere near the highest point in the Planisphere.

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alanchua wrote:Hi Gary. Thanks for the advice. The youtube I am referring to is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... bz3QnAbzFM

The guy was mentioning about the blue cross when he demonstrate and he say that this is actually directly above our head. :)

Reason why I am asking is if I am using the manual way to locate stars, I may not know where a particular star is on the real sky with reference to the planisphere. :)
Hi Alan,

If I understand him correctly, it just means zenith. The "problem" with portable planisphere is the need to squeeze all the constellations into that small display area which results in some constellations getting distorted, which may add further confusion to newcomers trying to recognise them.

Planisphere is one portable manual way to learn about the constellations and stars in the sky on a field. But not the only way and may not be the best since we all have our own preference when it comes to learning a new subject matter. So don't restrict yourself to using only a planisphere.

Suggestion: Go to http://www.skymaps.com and print out the latest pdf monthly chart (Sep 2013 Equatorial Edition for use in Singapore). Read the instructions printed on the 2-page pdf. The + in the middle of that map is directly above your head (zenith).

Since there is a bigger area to display the constellations, there is less distortion. Print A3 if you want to see better and bring it out to observe. Use a red torchlight to illuminated the printed sky map.

Now, the method to relate the size of the constellation in the printed map vs the real sky:

- The bigger the black dots in the map, the brighter the stars.
- Try to find and identify the constellations with more bigger black dots on average - they will be easier to identify in the sky. E.g. Scorpius, Saggitarius.
- Now map the brighter stars in the sky map with the visible stars in the constellation in the sky. You will then see the actual size of the constellations in the sky if its clear enough.
- You can also try to correlate the other brighter dots in the map in the sky and use them as navigational signpost - e.g the star Vega.

Be patient, if the sky is not clear enough, don't stress yourself trying to find them with a sky map or planisphere. Just continue to wait for a clear enough night. It will come sooner or later.

Also learn how to use your hand and fingers to measure angular size in the sky. This will help you scale correctly when you to estimate how big or wide a constellation should be in the real sky:
https://dept.astro.lsa.umich.edu/ugacti ... index.html

Ironically, once you figure out how to use the printed skymap, you may increase your understanding of how to use the planisphere. Then from that point onwards, you can just use the planishpere since it looks cooler, waterproofed, and sturdier to hold on to. And you don't have to carry too many skymap papers with you while in the field.

Again, the best way is just to approach a telescope volunteer during public stargazing sessions and learn from them directly and efficiently under a real night sky.

P.S. You should see how the constellations are squeezed into faceplate of my astro planisphere wrist watch! Then you even more stress! :)
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Hey Gary / Weixing

Thanks for all the explanation. :) It start to make more sense to me now.

Gary, By the way, I had heard that you had organize a observation on Fri and back on Sun. Unfortunately, I could not make it. Just wander, Is there any place on this forum that I can know if there are any event? :)
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Hi Alan,

You can find out the latest events from the Events and Observations subforum:
viewforum.php?f=5

The fastest way to get updated about astro events organised by Dave and me is to follow our twitter at

http://www.twitter.com/astrosg
http://www.twitter.com/BishanParkAstro

My next Toa Payoh Public Library talk is on Monday 16 Sept. 7:30pm.

Most of the time we will post our events both here and in our twitter. But when the event begins, any last minute changes and updates may only be seen in our twitter as it is much more efficient to do so using the twitter app on our mobile phones. Especially when we are busy and surrounded by the public demanding our attention.

Hope to see you soon!
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alanchua wrote:Hi guys,

I just brought a Equator Planisphere specifically for SIngapore from the Science Centre.
Hi alan

i have the same Equator planisphere. There is a semi circle line drawn that equates to a label called the "Celestrial Equator" on the non moveable part of the planisphere. Since our latitude is 1 Degrees, the celestrial equator which has a DEC of 0 degrees is pretty much overhead of us. Stars located along this line would be right above our heads, ie zenith. I agree with the others that constellations are quite 'squashed' on a planisphere, but I do find it useful for getting a quick glance at what constellations are appearing for a particular date and time. Its great for planning ahead the old fashion way :). Hope this helps.
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