Secondary size

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2.14"
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2.60"
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Secondary size

Post by ariefm71 »

I keep wondering why some premium dobsonian makers use a 2.14" secondary mirror for their 12.5" scopes. Will the 4% CO difference make any improvement in planetary viewing?

Pls vote for the best secondary mirror size I should order for my ATM project. The objective is to get the best performance from the scope for BOTH planetary and DSOs.
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Post by Canopus Lim »

It is always better to have a smaller secondary.... I have seen the effects of a large obstruction. To me it is noticeable. Just compare a SCT to a refractor and you will know what it means high contrast on the moon/planets and what is called low contrast; also that is why reflectors tend to perform better than SCT on planets. By the way, central obstruction affects planetary contrast as it modifies the MTF (Modulation Transfer Function) reducing its low contrast ability..darkness of the sky background depends a lot on the baffling/flocking. A refractor is easier to baffle and hence it can have very dark sky background. Inch for inch nothing beats the refractor.

Also, most of the time in Singapore we are using high magnifications (smaller field) and hence vignetting is NON ISSUE. Also, most of the time we are looking at planets, smaller secondary means better performance.

Lastly, if one is NOT using a paracorr, even if there is vignetting (which I do not observe that easily unless you specifically spent time looking at the edge with the lowest power eyepiece and looking at a star at the limit of visibility.. I don't do that since the telescope performs best on-axis), the coma is already a dominant factor that will detract the view unless you are one of those who do not see coma :mrgreen: ..vignetting again is NON ISSUE.

Anyway, for those who are getting Z mirrors, it is really meant for planetary (which is the most demanding thing for the optics)...so it would be wiser to get a smaller secondary to enhance its planetary peformance. The difference in performance is mainly on planetary at very high magnification. We are talking small percentage of improvement..and anything that helps will add up.

So from my experience with my scope.... smaller secondary rules especially in Singapore. :)
Unless you are a DSO only person and goes to Mersing 12x a year and love to observe at such low magnification...
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Post by Canopus Lim »

What size secondary does the 12.5" Portaball have in percent to diameter?
Also how about the 10" Teleport's secondary mirror percent to diameter?

I cannot find the info on the net.
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Post by ariefm71 »

17% and 18% respectively.
Elton and rlow, any comments?
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Post by Canopus Lim »

I see, so the portaball also uses 2.14". So it looks the same for the premium scopes. From the protostar website it is either 2.14 or 2.6".

I do not think there is a 'best' solution. There is always a trade off in design. If you want fully illuminated fields for imaging, then your planetary has to go. Vice versa. Unless you get a 12.5" Apo refractor.

Arief,
From what I read you like globs (they tend to be small in size... no greater than 1 degree TFOV) and planets.. so the smaller secondary will be a better choice. :)
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Post by weixing »

Hi,
I think you may want to take a look at the distance from diagonal to focal plane... 8.3 inch seem a bit too short to me.

Anyway, if you want the best image for planetary, use 2.14". But if you are more towards DSO, use the 2.6".

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Post by rlow »

Either one can do, depending on your criteria and priority, not by polling...haha!

I would suggest to go for the 2.1" secondary in your case. I am going for a 2.6" secondary for my 15" primary, which gives 17% obstruction.
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Post by weixing »

Hi,
May be you use the best of both world... make a quick release type diagonal... see planet, plug in the 2.14" secondary... see DSO, plug in the 2.6" secondary... :D :D

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Post by ariefm71 »

i'll do that if you want to sponsor one of the secondary :D
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Post by elton »

10inch teleport uses 1.83
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