M42 on 13 March 2025 - Processing is a pain

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Vince
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M42 on 13 March 2025 - Processing is a pain

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No idea what I'm doing and if it's right or not.
Any criticisms, advice or comment would be appreciated.
But here's my shot of M42.
Details as follows :
54 x 90s Light Frames @ ISO 800
21 Flat Frames
Stacked in DSS and processed using PS 2024
Equipment :
Celestron Nexstar Evolution 5
Juwei 14 Strain Wave Mount
ASIAir Plus
ASI120MM Guidecamera
AngelEyes 30mm F/4 Guidescope
Customer pier/Wedge Tilted at 10°to cater for Juwei 14's 10° Limit
Rough polar alignment
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cytan299
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Re: M42 on 13 March 2025 - Processing is a pain

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Hi Vince,

Since you asked, here's what I see:
  • you have a lot of coma which may be a stacking artifact. But because of poor focusing, I can't tell.
  • you have star trails on the two bright stars in the top half of the image. I think you have some problem subframes that have been added to the stack which should have been removed.
  • The donut holes are offset from the centre of each unfocused star. This means that you'll need to do collimation.
  • your stars in the triangulum are saturated because of the long exposure.
  • the top half stars are donuts while the centre are points. There is probably a tilt in your image train. Or due to field curvature.
If you're unaware, M42 is actually a challenging target because of the dynamic range required to capture it properly. The faint parts require a longer exposure while the bright parts require a shorter exposure. People usually take two sets of images, one with the shorter exposure so that the stars in the triangulum are not saturated and then combine it with another set with longer exposures.

Finally, if you're a beginner, an SCT is not the recommended telescope for imaging. A wide field refractor will be easier to get started.

Anyway, that's my opinion and as usual YMMV

cytan

P.S. I'd encourage people who have better image capture and processing skills than me to chime in.
P.P.S. SingAstro is a very quiet forum. If you want guidance and criticisms, I'd suggest that you post to cloudynights "Beginning Deep Sky Imaging" forum: https://www.cloudynights.com/forum/80-b ... y-imaging/
There are real experts there who'll give you a lot better guidance than what I've written above.
Vince
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Re: M42 on 13 March 2025 - Processing is a pain

Post by Vince »

Hi Cytan,

Thank you for the detailed analysis of the photo.

Yes, I thought that the Nexstar 5 maybe out of collimation but it doesn't seem so from looking at it visually.
The fact that there were lots of high altitude clouds may have affected the overall image making it look out of focus. But I did use a bhatinov mask to focus.
I got the SCT OTA at a decent price and it is meant more for Planetary use and I'm waiting to get my hands on the ASI 585MC Pro for pair with it.
Likely will try to lay hands on the Askar Flat Field 71 for DSOs.
I've always enjoyed trying to photograph M42 as it's brightest and most obvious to see and yeah, to get a nice view of the Triangulum definitely 2 different exposures are needed.
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cytan299
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Re: M42 on 13 March 2025 - Processing is a pain

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Hi Vince,
If you're serious about getting into DSO astrophotography, I'd recommend that you ditch the SCT (use it for planetary) and buy a small (60 mm to 80 mm) refractor that is between F/5 to F/6. SCT imaging has higher demands on guiding, collimation, mount quality, etc. that gets in the way for a beginner.

Note that my recommendation that you use a fast refractor rather than an SCT is the usual recommendation for a beginner. If you really want to use an SCT, you'll eventually be able to get nice photos but you'll have to overcome obstacles that refractors don't have.

cytan
Vince
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Re: M42 on 13 March 2025 - Processing is a pain

Post by Vince »

Hi Cytan,

Yeah, planning to get the Askar 71F once budget allows, together with a cooled ASI585MC. That should do the trick.

I've been on-and-off taking night sky photos for donkey years but I've hit the plateau of the learning curve I guess. Got my Darks, Flats, Biases etc down. Even tried using the Orion ST120 F/5 which yielded decent results together with my previous iOptron CEM-25P mount.

Post-processing for me, is stiill the most painful part of the entire hobby IMO :D

Thanks :)
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cytan299
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Re: M42 on 13 March 2025 - Processing is a pain

Post by cytan299 »

Hi Vincent,
I’m glad you’re getting a small refractor. It’ll be a lot easier than an SCT. As for image processing, try Siril which is free. There’s a lot of tutorials on YouTube that you can follow along. Siril is an all in one solution for image processing from stacking to stretching. IMO, Siril will probably solve your image processing woes.

Have fun!

cytan
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