Continuing Discussion on Safe Road practices

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acc wrote:Regardless, driving at over 200kmh, on public roads, whether in Singapore or Malaysia, is irresponsible and places the lives of other innocent road users in unneccesary risk. :evil:

Completely agree.

Additionally, I think it is a fallacy to say that one can be driving way over the speed limit and still be safe, and that slow drivers can be poor drivers, and so the speed limit is just a guide, as has been suggested in these forums.

If one follows that kind of argument, then the following too would apply:

(a) A person could say, to justify himself, that he can drive safely even though he is intoxicated with alcohol way over the limit. So the alcohol limit is only a guide, hack it and the law. After all, some "dry" drivers drive more poorly than drunk drivers, so what is wrong with driving whilst drunk? ("I have driven whilst drunk many times before and can handle the vehicle well again tonight. See what I mean? More whisky please....", says the person).

(b) A person could say that he can handle a lorry or other large vehicle competently and does not need anything more than a Class III drivers' licence. So the classification system is just a guide. Hack it and the law, he is fully justitified in driving such vechicles without the necessary class of licence. Just don't get caught la. Better still, "I don't need a driver's licence. I have been driving since 16 with my dad's car in the carpark, no accidents what."


But why stop with traffic rules?


(c) An airline could say that its planes do not need the servicing required under Civil Aviation rules, e.g. full overhaul every xxx thousand kilometres or hours. After all, the plane would probably still fly safely. So the airlines skips the maintenance, does not change the gaskets in the engines, the brake pads in the wheels, etc. ("They look fine") Worse, forges the maintenance documents. Hack the law, we know better.


(d) A building contractor thinks the civil engineer is kiasu. In fact, building regulations are kiasu or kiasi too. Why does the building need concrete of a certain strength (e.g. rated at pressure of 5000 pounds per square inch)? After all the building can still stand with concrete of only 3000 square inches of pressure strength. I mean, my employees deserve a nice bonus this year. So lets cut corners and dilute the concrete mix a bit. No harm.


(e) A private clinic thinks the law is an ass. Why bother to dispose of needles after only one use as required by law? Isn't the environment just as important? Nope, if the patient looks healthy, just wash with tap water and re-use the needle. Risks are low, not mine anyway.


Anyone agrees with arguments (a), (b), (c), (d), or (e) above?


Would you want to fly on that airline which "knows better"? Would you want to live or work in that building? Would you want to go to that clinic?


Sooo.... back to speed limits. "I can drive safely at 160km/h... and I think the speed limit of 100km/h on this road is just a guide. It can be flagrantly flouted at will. Just don't get caught, I am a good driver."
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If one wants to drive @ 160km/h or even 240km/h, just do it in the appropriate place (racing circuit), that is their choice. Once you are in public road, then it is not appropriate to go at that high speed. Limit +10plus%, TP normally close 1 eye unless he has yet to meet his target.

Rules or guides, if TP want to get you, too fast or too slow at lane 1, whether you tailgate or hog, whether you are a good or bad driver, both will get in his book. No one say that slow driver can't get to lane 3 or 4 @ 60km/h or 80/90 km/h @ lane 2 in the expressway, just don't stay in lane 1. Lane 1 is for overtaking purpose, unless traffic jam.
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Limit +10plus%, TP normally close 1 eye unless he has yet to meet his target.
Rules or guides, if TP want to get you, too fast or too slow at lane 1, whether you tailgate or hog, whether you are a good or bad driver, both will get in his book.
Those are 2 common misconceptions by the public.

1. Traffic Police (or any other police officers) do NOT have any "target" to meet. Why would SPF want to set a minimum number of offenders for their officers to summon? They would be more than happy to report a LOWER crime rate every quarter - why set a target and bring the crime rate statistics up?
I can't speak for HDB/CISCO carpark aunties though - although that is another common myth. :)


2. Members of public are the MOST protected against unfair treatment by law enforcement officers in Singapore compared to other countries in South East Asia ( and I suspect most of Asia and the world :) )

Complaints against officers are genuinely considered and investigated.

In fact, where there is a major dispute, there is a higher chance of a police officer losing his job or getting his performance grading affected than the complainant getting into trouble (which can happen in other countries).

So I would say the TP officer would not wanna book you for no reason, it'll affect his job/career more than it'll affect the innocent driver. :)


These rumours/myths are normally started by unhappy offenders who are caught/booked. Somehow, these stories spread till they almost seem real. :)
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Logic: a radar gun has a 10% margin of error, so as long as I don't exceed 110% of the speed limit, I cannot be booked. Correct?

Wrong!

Suppose that a radar gun actually has a 10% margin of error. You drive at 110% of the speed limit (e.g. 99km/h). The radar gun reports +10% of your speed (110% of 99km/h = 109 km/h). That will get you a ticket.

Just some useless food for thought. ;)
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Hi,
Suppose that a radar gun actually has a 10% margin of error. You drive at 110% of the speed limit (e.g. 99km/h). The radar gun reports +10% of your speed (110% of 99km/h = 109 km/h).
That's not 10% margin of error... that's +10% margin of error... error usually come in +/-, so 10% marginn of error usually mean +/-10%. This'll give you speed from 89.1km/h to 108.9km/h if you drive at 99km/h... If you good luck, you'll not get a ticket... hee hee hee :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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From what I know, if the speed limit is 80km/h and you go 90km/h and get caught, you MAY get a warning letter. Usually one will not get booked.

If the speed limit is 90km/h and you go 100km/h, you MAY get book. There is an upper tolerance of 10km/h. The reason is probably because the speedometer of cars itself has inaccuracies and the radar detector also has inaccuracies. Therefore, there is an upper tolerance before deciding if one should be booked. However, if the speed limit is 80km/h and one goes at 100km/h, he will be booked by the speed camera. I have seen that before.
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Singapore is too small for speeding and the people are too stressful to give way .

It rain this morning, just a few car on the small road next to my block. I saw a ah-pek, a mother carrying her schooling kid was about to cross the road. A light blue toyota was about 50m away, honking and never slow down at all.

WHY?? I not speeding what!! No law say the driver have to give way what!! They never watch out for car, their fault!! -- that's how many driver here think. Courteously is missing here.

The driver have the right to drive even faster, but is it right to do so?? Do you enjoy driving here??
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Actually, I feel the way a person drives reflects the kind of person he/she is. In Singapore, being a city, there are very few drivers who give way to pedestrians or other cars. There is also about almost zero patience in most drivers. There were many occasions when the green right arrow turned on, and I was changing my gears to move off, the taxi behind immediately honk. I cannot believe that people cannot even wait for a few seconds. There was even one occasion when two ladies were crossing a small road; they never checked their right or left, however the car that was turning into the lane went near them and suddenly honked very loudly! The two ladies got a shocked... it was a deliberate move to scare them. There were also quite many occasions at junctions that have Green left Turn Arrows (not many junctions have that). Some drivers will horn me when I never turn left with the green left arrow on. The fact is, the road allows me to move straight or turn left but some drivers do not know basic traffic law. At that point of time, I felt like getting off the car and tell them to use their eyes to look at the road signs.

I have been to Chicago and it is no different from Singapore, perhaps Chicago is even worse. In suburban parts of USA, many drivers are patient. They follow the laws, they do not indiscriminately use the honk. They are patient too. Also, the laws in USA is such that the pedestrians are kings of the road. Drivers are supposed to slow down for pedestrians and if any accident happens, it is the drivers fault not the pedestrian.
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During my 1.5 year stay in the US, I observed that driving habits are bad in the cities and excellent in the rural areas. I am in Taipei now and eh, the driving style is really atrocious...
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Try ShenZhen, in front / near the electronic / IT malls (Cyber mall), not sure where is the lane divider, where is the pedestrian path because every vehicles will take every place that can be found on the road and the pedestrians other than the path, they are found all over the road, crossing and walking all over. I was told that during holiday, the pedestrians occupy one or even two lanes. By the way, the pedestrian path/mall there is huge; something likes 6 car lanes width.

One must be very skillful to drive around that area.
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