Brief report on Baader Genuine Ortho

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Brief report on Baader Genuine Ortho

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I just got my Baader Genuine Orthos 5mm and 6mm. :)

http://www.telescope-service.com/baader ... ml#genuine

The price of the Baader ortho is 99usd, same as that of a BO/TMB planetary eyepiece.

After doing tonnes of research on the Baader ortho, I finally decided to buy it. Supposedly this eyepiece is made in the same Japanese factory as the UO HD orthos. However, there are differences between them and the Baader ortho supposedly has better coatings. From what I read, it is possible to order eyepieces/telescopes/binos from a factory and specify the QUALITY of it. That means the standard of the polish, accuracy of the optical elements, the coating design etc.

The sky condition is good tonight. It is clear, windless and the seeing is ok. For my 6mm Baader ortho, the magnification used is 264x while for the 5mm Baader ortho, the magnification is 317x.

I did a brief comparison ONLY ON SATURN.

1. 6mm Baader Ortho vs 6mm Circle T ortho
Transmission: Baader > Circle T. I can see a few faint (points) probably moons near to Saturn. The Circle T is not able to do so.

Colour tone: Baader is slightly whiter (cooler) than Circle T

Contrast: Baader > Circle T. On Saturn's globe, the banding is more pronouced in the Baader. It has slightly better contrast especially noticeable on the polar belt. It stands out better. Details *slightly more than Circle T ortho.

Sharpness: Same. Since they are both Abbe orthos so the design (sharpness) wise will be similar.

Hence, I feel the Baader is better in contrast and transmission due to probably better polish, baffling and coatings. The difference is 'not a hair' as what was reported on the UO HD ortho against the UO ortho and hence if there is a comparison with the Baader and UO HD ortho, there may be differences.

2. 5mm Baader ortho vs barlowed 11 Nagler T6 vs 5mm BO/TMB

Contrast on Saturn's globe:
Barlowed 11 Nagler T6> (rather slightly) 5mm Baader >> 5mm BO/TMB

Surprisingly, the 11 Nagler T6 when barlowed gives very good contrast on Jupiter and Saturn's globe. I guess it is probably due to the higher transmission in yellow and the features (belts etc) on Jupiter/Saturn are better seen. The 5mm Baader gave good contrast on Saturn's globe too but it was very slightly less good as the barlowed 11 Nagler T6. The 5mm Baader has quite a lot better contrast on Saturn's globe than the 5mm BO/TMB.

Transmission: 5mm Baader>5mm BO/TMB>barlowed 11 Nagler T6

Sharpness on-axis: 5mm Baader > 5mm BO/TMB> barlowed 11 Nagler T6.

3. Comfort factor:
I find the 6mm Baader more comfortable than the 6mm Circle T because I can rest my face on the eyepiece. There is no need to keep a fix distance away from the eyepiece. The 5mm Baader is quite alright to use too. I like the fact that these eyepieces has wing eyeguard to block off stray light. :)

4. Built quality:
Very well made. The painting inside the barrel is nicely done. The coatings are nice and under white light, it gives of a red reflection (mostly mean the eyepiece is cooler, less red transmitted).

5. Parfocal?
I did not find the 5mm and 6mm to be parfocal even though it is claimed to be. My 7 and 11 Nagler are parfocal and just need slight adjustment in focus.

Summary,

This is a brief comparison on Saturn. So far, the Baader is good. :) I am rather happy with its performance and price (1/3 price of a Nagler). It is also much cheaper than the 5mm Pentax XO but the XO is probably slightly better. I will go cheap and good.. no more spending 300 dollars for a eyepiece. ha.
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Post by aquillae »

hmm...really tempting....
i've been enjoying my 5mm UO ortho.
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If you like Abbe orthos and you want a slight improvement... then you can consider the Baader Genuine Ortho. The price is reasonable for the quality. :)

I read that the Germans like these eyepieces a lot and it is rated second only to the Pentax XO (which is probably the best planetary eyepiece). Some have found that the Baader orthos is as good as the Zeiss orthos and pentax orthos and can be even 'a hair' better. I won't be surprise with that finding.
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awesome, thx Canopus.
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I should make this into my wishlist. :D
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Kim Mau,

Do note that this eyepiece is an Abbe ortho. The eye relief for the 5mm Baader ortho would be about 4mm and the eye relief for the 6mm Baader ortho would be about 5mm. Some people may find this uncomfortable. I am ok with short eye relief eyepieces and hence I do not find it a problem, but the comfort factor is very subjective. Therefore, if you decide to buy this, do take note of its tight eye relief and also its small AFOV (about 40 degree).

If you are using a f/10 scope, I guess it would be sharp to the edge. If you are using a f/5 scope, the sharpness is about 50 percent of the AFOV and becomes quite blur to the edge. However, I am more concern only of the centra area of the AFOV and hence I have neglected the field size and edge sharpness into consideration. This eyepiece is better if you are using tracking.
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Does the short eye relief make it a bad eyepiece for binoviewing?
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I have no idea... perhaps you can ask those who own binoviewers.
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I managed to compare the 5mm Baader Genuine Ortho with the 5mm BO/TMB on the moon tonight.

1. Scope: Obsession 12.5" f/5
2. hand tracked
3. Magnification 317X
4. Seeing ranged from average to good

The Baader again had superior contrast. The ray system on Copernicus was fantastic. The rays were very obvious even at 317x and the shadings were very nice. On the Baader, the blacks were quite a lot darker than that of the BO/TMB. The BO/TMB is better corrected off axis so it looked nice. However, the view through the Baader on the ray structure on-axis was nicer! :) It was so defined and contrasted.

I also observed Kepler crater (about 8 km diameter) and there were numerous small craters (would be less than 2km in size) around it. There were easily more than 10 craterlets and they looked like a cluster of craterlets. These were seen also in the BO/TMB but the impression I get from the small craters is that they were not as defined; they looked nice though but it seemed like there is slight scatter about the craters. On the Baader, the craters were easier to see and aesthetically more pleasing because of neglible scatter on them.

Lastly I observed Plato crater (which basically is a flat and almost featureless crater)... and this is the greatest shock ever.. The seeing somehow stablized and I saw NUMEROUS CRATERLETS.. it was as though Plato was pot marked! Wow :shock: All these were seen in the Baader. The number of craterlets seen were far more than the 11 I observed months back. Incredible. :) :)

Jupiter was low at the time I was observing. Next opportunity would be comparing Jupiter with my other eyepieces. The tracking platform would be really great with the Baaders.
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I have found some tests results of the Baader Genuine orthos. The test was done on a f/2.8 camera lens and resolution targets. Done by a German company. It tested Pentax eyepieces too.

The website:
http://www.astro-okulare.de/English/indexe.htm

5mm Baader ortho:
http://www.astro-okulare.de/English/baader/baor05e.htm

6mm Baader ortho:
http://www.astro-okulare.de/English/baader/baor06e.htm

18mm Baader ortho:
http://www.astro-okulare.de/English/baader/baor18e.htm

Surprisingly the 5mm has 46 degree AFOV. The contrast and sharpness as what I observed is really good. Edge sharpness is not that good on a fast scope. The distortion stated here is rectilinear, that means for terrestrial targets (vertical lines remain straight if orthoscopic).

Note that the price in USA is much cheaper. At US$99 each. Anyway, I am not here to sell these eyepieces, it is just that I find them really good and one need not pay a bomb to get really high performance eyepieces.
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