Manfrotto 410 Head + 190D or 055 tripod

[Airconvent]

Hi
I can't believe this. Just 1 month ago, I was a pure SCT/MCT person but now I'm suddently interested in Newtonians (gasp!) and Dobs too.
I was wondering if it was feasible to mount a 6" or 8" Newtonian to the popular singastro 410+190 or 410+055 configuration.

I surmised it will be :
(a) too heavy,
(b) too unbalanced without counterweights
(c) hard to "slomo" due to size
(d) beyond specifications of the 410 head (5kg limit, I think)

Any feelings on this?

Thanks

rich

[carlogambino]

IMHO, I think all of the above are true. Sorry no manfrotto 410 head+190D or 55 tripod--you will have to make your own custom dob mount, maybe by a carpenter.

[harlequin2902]

Hi
I can't believe this. Just 1 month ago, I was a pure SCT/MCT person but now I'm suddently interested in Newtonians (gasp!) and Dobs too.
I was wondering if it was feasible to mount a 6" or 8" Newtonian to the popular singastro 410+190 or 410+055 configuration.

I surmised it will be :
(a) too heavy,
(b) too unbalanced without counterweights
(c) hard to "slomo" due to size
(d) beyond specifications of the 410 head (5kg limit, I think)

Any feelings on this?

Thanks

rich

Hi Rich,

My 2 cents based on personal experience :

I've actually tried the Manfrotto 410 + 190D with one of our sample APM 5" Maksutovs in the past (the bare OTA of that Mak weighs about 5kg - the bare OTA of most Chinese 6" Newts weigh about 6kg) and found that slow motion operation on the altitude axis of the 410 head was quite jerky and it became more stiff and difficult to operate especially when the scope is inclined beyond 45 degrees. Despite the compactness of the Mak, vibrations were another problem and they took some time to damp out. This is going to be worse if you have a heavier + longer OTA on top, as the vibrations introduced furthur this time by the operation of the azimuth axis will add on to the frustration.

[MooEy]

too much weight la, a c5 or a 127 mct is a better choice if u wan stay with the 410 head. 1" aperture difference, but probably overall 10kg lighter.

~MooEy~

[dew]

wow its been a long time since i've posted. anyway, my take on this. i have found the slomo controls of the 410 to be very hard to use for any scope. very irritating especially if the scope is fairly long. but if you comfortable with using the 410, then i actually use a manfrotto 405 which is basically a heavier duty 410. if i remember correctly it can take like 7.5 kg or something close to that. plus its not much heavier then the 410. thought this info might interest you. i have no idea if it would work but this should at least help overcome the weight capacity problem.


eu-wen

[harlequin2902]

wow its been a long time since i've posted. anyway, my take on this. i have found the slomo controls of the 410 to be very hard to use for any scope. very irritating especially if the scope is fairly long. but if you comfortable with using the 410, then i actually use a manfrotto 405 which is basically a heavier duty 410. if i remember correctly it can take like 7.5 kg or something close to that. plus its not much heavier then the 410. thought this info might interest you. i have no idea if it would work but this should at least help overcome the weight capacity problem.

eu-wen

Good to see you again Eu-wen !

Yup, the 405 head can take ~ 7.5kg, but the price is in the range of S$700-S$800 ? Also, the problem of vibrations will still remain unless the slow motion mechanism on the 405 is about as smooth as or smoother than those found on EQ3-2 and above mounts. The one on the 410 is just too 'sticky' and introduces a lot of vibrations when you operate it with long OTAs on top.

[gwenyi]

bah... not a very practical idea. the tube of the newt could be too long and it becomes very irritating each time u try to adjust the slow-mo.

[weixing]

Hi,

Hi
I can't believe this. Just 1 month ago, I was a pure SCT/MCT person but now I'm suddently interested in Newtonians (gasp!) and Dobs too.
I was wondering if it was feasible to mount a 6" or 8" Newtonian to the popular singastro 410+190 or 410+055 configuration.

I surmised it will be :
(a) too heavy,
(b) too unbalanced without counterweights
(c) hard to "slomo" due to size
(d) beyond specifications of the 410 head (5kg limit, I think)

Any feelings on this?

Thanks

rich

Ha Ha Ha... I had try this before on my 6" F5 Newtonian. One comment: don't work!

The whole scope vibrate so much every time you use the slow motion control (very difficult to turn the knob) or even touch it and seem like the 410 is going to break at any moment.

I think the main problem is the length of the newtonian. It'll add a lot of force when you move the scope and at certain position, your newtonian OTA will hit the tripod leg.

Have a nice day.

[Airconvent]

ok thanks fellas.
another item crossed out of my "potential things to tryl" list. heh heh
btw, this is the first time I heard of this 405 head. The number is lower but it can take more weight. interesting, is it much bigger than the 410 and are the slomo controls the same ? It should be heavier which will out an additionakl load on the tripod too...

rich

[dew]

Good to see you again Eu-wen !

Yup, the 405 head can take ~ 7.5kg, but the price is in the range of S$700-S$800 ? Also, the problem of vibrations will still remain unless the slow motion mechanism on the 405 is about as smooth as or smoother than those found on EQ3-2 and above mounts. The one on the 410 is just too 'sticky' and introduces a lot of vibrations when you operate it with long OTAs on top.

haha yeah thats the singapore price but i happened to find a malaysian camera dealer who had it on sale for something like $400-450.. a really good deal so i just took the plunge. named eng tong i think. if anyone really wants to know you can pm me and ill try and find out. but then again i really dont know if its much of a solution. like you said sam, the 410 mount has alot of "stickiness" and the 405 isnt much different.
i think someone here made a very interesting mod to his 410 that i would have been interested to see up close but oh well..


eu-wen