yes, i think it's kota kinabalu.
btw, remus, pls count me in.
Mersing Xpedition in May (18-20, 21) [FULL]
Hi Remus,
I understood there is some rules on lighting restriction from your site for the upcoming Mersing Trip :-
[Lighting Restrictions] Vehicle headlights, parking lights, tail and brake lights, must remain extinguished. Coleman-type lanterns, campfires, grills, and outdoor lighting are NOT permitted. All flashlights must be equipped with red filters and should be pointed toward the ground at your feet. Red cellophane or fingernail polish is useful. Dim RED lighting for reading starmaps and equipmetn illumination is allowed. Laser pointers and any other form of directional lighting should be used with discretion as these may interfere with the obsreving/astrophotography by other participants
Will like your advise on the following :-
If I have a group coming (combination of star-gazer/non star-gazer / families) during the the same period and wanted to setup tentages during the night for some simple night sky appreciation and education w/ Laser LIght and Will Not STRICTLY observe the 'Lighting Restrictions';
- will we be welcome, assuming we try to be a 'Distance' from your
imaging group
- even if we are at the site early, is there a Favorite Marked location that
we should not be sited
- I also believe there will be some vehicle movement w/light during the
night (anytime) that might infringe towards your imaging site
Wee Kiong
I understood there is some rules on lighting restriction from your site for the upcoming Mersing Trip :-
[Lighting Restrictions] Vehicle headlights, parking lights, tail and brake lights, must remain extinguished. Coleman-type lanterns, campfires, grills, and outdoor lighting are NOT permitted. All flashlights must be equipped with red filters and should be pointed toward the ground at your feet. Red cellophane or fingernail polish is useful. Dim RED lighting for reading starmaps and equipmetn illumination is allowed. Laser pointers and any other form of directional lighting should be used with discretion as these may interfere with the obsreving/astrophotography by other participants
Will like your advise on the following :-
If I have a group coming (combination of star-gazer/non star-gazer / families) during the the same period and wanted to setup tentages during the night for some simple night sky appreciation and education w/ Laser LIght and Will Not STRICTLY observe the 'Lighting Restrictions';
- will we be welcome, assuming we try to be a 'Distance' from your
imaging group
- even if we are at the site early, is there a Favorite Marked location that
we should not be sited
- I also believe there will be some vehicle movement w/light during the
night (anytime) that might infringe towards your imaging site
Wee Kiong
Hi Wee Kiong,
Yes, there is a light use policy that we would encourage everyone to practice. This is actually practiced actively in other countries as well (Australia, US, etc). However, we hope this does not put off people, or get have people getting the wrong idea that total light use is not permitted. This is just to get everyone to cooperate and understand that stargazing (NOT just imaging) requires and values the maintenence of night adaptation. This is in lieu for EVERYBODY'S interest. Do take note that in times of emergency (someone had a fall, injury, admission to hospital, lost, missing persons, etc) where the policy is naturally lifted.
Hope you (and everyone going!) understand this.
Yes, there is a light use policy that we would encourage everyone to practice. This is actually practiced actively in other countries as well (Australia, US, etc). However, we hope this does not put off people, or get have people getting the wrong idea that total light use is not permitted. This is just to get everyone to cooperate and understand that stargazing (NOT just imaging) requires and values the maintenence of night adaptation. This is in lieu for EVERYBODY'S interest. Do take note that in times of emergency (someone had a fall, injury, admission to hospital, lost, missing persons, etc) where the policy is naturally lifted.
Hope you (and everyone going!) understand this.
Thanks for the clarification.rcj wrote:Hi Wee Kiong,
Yes, there is a light use policy that we would encourage everyone to practice. This is actually practiced actively in other countries as well (Australia, US, etc). However, we hope this does not put off people, or get have people getting the wrong idea that total light use is not permitted. This is just to get everyone to cooperate and understand that stargazing (NOT just imaging) requires and values the maintenence of night adaptation. This is in lieu for EVERYBODY'S interest. Do take note that in times of emergency (someone had a fall, injury, admission to hospital, lost, missing persons, etc) where the policy is naturally lifted.
Hope you (and everyone going!) understand this.
It will very difficult at best to control the 'light policy' as much as I would like considering my group interest looking at the night sky probably won't be long. We will likely consider another date or another site away from you guys. It will be good if you can indicate the 'off-limit' boundary at your site where lighting is not an issue. What about 200-300m away.
I remembered some years back arriving late at night at site (it was so dark and with portholes around the field car light had to be on) it created a minute commotion among the 2 different groups of observers/imagers.
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Hi,
Have a nice day.
There is another site before the usual site which last time we (me, johnteh, clement & etc) initially go. The field is also quite big and can go to the seaside directly, but had not been there for very long time, so not sure how is the condition now. You may want to seek out that field first... It's around 200m-300m before reaching the usual site and got a small road leading to it.We will likely consider another date or another site away from you guys.
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Actually that will be quite sad loh...We will likely consider another date or another site away from you guys.
Our astronomy community is so small and the field is so large. I am sure some kind of compromise can be worked out? I have tried other sites adjacent to the main one but none are quite as ideal (in terms of dark skies and tree cover).We do it in the dark...
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Hi Wee Kiong,
Yes, I agree with CC as well... you don't have to be located at another place. After all, we are all from the same country, enjoying the same hobby in the same site. The site is big enough to accomodate everyone. I am aware of the effort taken to avoid undulating grounds and portholes, that is why in the first place, the policy was not enforced strictly 100%. It is just an awareness for the general astronomer who is using the site there, that even all of us are astronomers, I think it is just a fundamental civic-minded thought to be considerate to our other astronomy friends present there, and that everyone is trying to enjoy their time in astronomy over there. Sometimes it is amazing how the countries, enforce the policy even more strictly than us. Understandably, our community is still young, compared to the other "older" communities in other countries like Japan, Australia and US, that they value their night adaptation very much. Perhaps our, is the start, but then again, if everyone practices complete freedom of white light use in a dark site, then what is the point of going there in the first place? Or how are the newbies going to learn the night sky there, travelling all the way from Spore? Perhaps the rest who thought the light use policy is a good idea should speak up, and they are certainly not imagers!
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Yes, I agree with CC as well... you don't have to be located at another place. After all, we are all from the same country, enjoying the same hobby in the same site. The site is big enough to accomodate everyone. I am aware of the effort taken to avoid undulating grounds and portholes, that is why in the first place, the policy was not enforced strictly 100%. It is just an awareness for the general astronomer who is using the site there, that even all of us are astronomers, I think it is just a fundamental civic-minded thought to be considerate to our other astronomy friends present there, and that everyone is trying to enjoy their time in astronomy over there. Sometimes it is amazing how the countries, enforce the policy even more strictly than us. Understandably, our community is still young, compared to the other "older" communities in other countries like Japan, Australia and US, that they value their night adaptation very much. Perhaps our, is the start, but then again, if everyone practices complete freedom of white light use in a dark site, then what is the point of going there in the first place? Or how are the newbies going to learn the night sky there, travelling all the way from Spore? Perhaps the rest who thought the light use policy is a good idea should speak up, and they are certainly not imagers!
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Yes, i agree that we should try to mingle with each other at Telok Sari, having come all the way from Singapore and being from a small community. The interaction is half the fun of going there.
The main field is actually very large, running at least 200m parallel to the beach. Perhaps the northern side could be designated as the darker area with more emphasis on night-adaptation preservation; whilst the southern side could have more liberal light-use standards since it is nearer the drive-in route. However, there could be a difficulty with this division since those at the northern end may wish to drive off in the middle of the night. Also, the TASOS members often tend to congregate in that (northern) area as I recall and they might have different ideas.
For myself, I am all in favour of preserving the darkness of the surroundings as much as possible. I recall that in March last year, I had put on a head-strap with red LED lights which I had just bought. Some others there found it to be too bright, and approached me after a while to request that I dim it. I was only too happy to agree and promptly put some masking tape over the red LED lights to dim it.
We make the long trip up there to see what we can't in light-polluted Singapore, so I think we should try to maximize the potential of that place when we are there. When bright lights are shined, especially when cars move about with headlights fully on, it is quite disruptive as dark adaptation takes a long time to achieve.
Of course however, since this is not a club and the Telok Sari field is a public field, it is strictly speaking up to anyone to do as they please (with the exception that those who go there on an organised package could rightly be asked to agree to certain rules as conditions of the trip).
So we could in general call it the "Telok Sari Dark Surroundings Guidelines", or the "Telok Sari Red-Light Use Guidelines" or words to that effect.
I think the right balance ought to be found for all, and I myself would request that the darkness of the place be preserved as far as possible. Of course, emergencies override all other considerations.
Any views anyone else?
The main field is actually very large, running at least 200m parallel to the beach. Perhaps the northern side could be designated as the darker area with more emphasis on night-adaptation preservation; whilst the southern side could have more liberal light-use standards since it is nearer the drive-in route. However, there could be a difficulty with this division since those at the northern end may wish to drive off in the middle of the night. Also, the TASOS members often tend to congregate in that (northern) area as I recall and they might have different ideas.
For myself, I am all in favour of preserving the darkness of the surroundings as much as possible. I recall that in March last year, I had put on a head-strap with red LED lights which I had just bought. Some others there found it to be too bright, and approached me after a while to request that I dim it. I was only too happy to agree and promptly put some masking tape over the red LED lights to dim it.
We make the long trip up there to see what we can't in light-polluted Singapore, so I think we should try to maximize the potential of that place when we are there. When bright lights are shined, especially when cars move about with headlights fully on, it is quite disruptive as dark adaptation takes a long time to achieve.
Of course however, since this is not a club and the Telok Sari field is a public field, it is strictly speaking up to anyone to do as they please (with the exception that those who go there on an organised package could rightly be asked to agree to certain rules as conditions of the trip).
So we could in general call it the "Telok Sari Dark Surroundings Guidelines", or the "Telok Sari Red-Light Use Guidelines" or words to that effect.
I think the right balance ought to be found for all, and I myself would request that the darkness of the place be preserved as far as possible. Of course, emergencies override all other considerations.
Any views anyone else?