Mersing Obs Expedition (1-2 Oct 05) Trip Report

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Mersing Obs Expedition (1-2 Oct 05) Trip Report

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The whole world is waiting for Mooey and his detailed report as only he can write about all the stuff he has manually "goto".
I can only help him kick start with an intro here.

Right up to the last minute I had been contemplating if I should go due to home commitments and the rainy weather but in the end, with family activities completed, I went ahead.

Stuck in a mindless 1 hour jam at the causeway before I was underway.
Due to the delays, reached Mersing site at around 7pm where the skies was already quite dark. All the way there, we had very heavy downpour and 100% cludy skies. I was amazed that 30 km from Mersing, the rained stopped and it was actuallyt dry there!

This trip has been to satisfy a personal pent up demand as I have not been to mersing in months. there are new roads there now (no more dirt roads)
but fortunately, no street lights there yet although the sky glow from the south where mersing is and even the north seems to be brighter.
access to the old site was marred by a drain which prevented cars from driving in. Mr au also noted that it has been overrrun by buffalos!
so we deployed a a new site 100m earlier on. accessibility was bad for cars but still passable. alot of mud and my car's bottom hit the mounds a few times. felt like an SUV! the site itself is large and flat like the old one so it makes up for it.

I will try to recall who were there, so please bear with me and correct me if required.

weixing (6" Skywatcher) , richard low (C5 wired up like a nuclear reactor), elton (Tak 102 but WITHOUT his Teleport..sigh), Joo Beng + son (Orion ED80 on CG5 mount) , Yang Beng (did I get it correct? C5) , Long Tai, Mooey (Under utilised Portaball ) Matthew (LX90 plus imaging setup), Gavin (LX90 for the first time but without his trade mark super 100mm Binos). (Update : oops left out Chris Yeo! How could I?? He was there with his DIY 6" on dob mount...sorry chris ...heh ..rich ) There was also one guy from Ngee Ann astro club but I did not get his name. mr au was there earlier but went home as the sky did not meet his standards..heh heh and of course, me and my Nexstar 8 on her maiden voyage.

Sky was average. No low clouds but I suspected there was a layer higher up as star appear a little diffused. I would rate it 60% of Mersing full potential rising to 70% after 2 am.

The main programme for me apart from meeting up with old friends is to test out my N8, so I will devote my report to the N8 and leave the nitty gritty obs details to out resident columnist Mooey who will do a better job than any of us.

Also have to thank a thoughtful Richard Low (richard II) for providing hot coffee for everyone and collimation assistance for me
thanks to him for reminding me to bring batteries, I was able to get about 8 hrs worth of obs, otherwise my N8 will lie idle at the site with no power.
also, the heat packs I bought were useless so his came in handy. at 2 am when everyone's else's scopes have dewed up, mine was going strong!
he was also a reason for confusion with people calling for "richard" the whole night and we had to ask "richard I" or "richard II" ? :lol:

also thanks to Elton for giving me objects to see on the N8...I not come really prepared and not too sure what to look at.

After installing the fresh batteries and powering up, I noted the alignment process is easier than the Meade autostar but also more inflexible.
Once aligned, goto accuracy is touchy with stuff appearing near the edge of FOV even though I was using a 32mm eyepiece instead of the default 20mm. I hated the backlash too. For the autostar, you can train the scope and it auto compensate but for the celestron, I had to key in the allowance by trial and error. tedious process.

my random selection was also frustrated by this first generation goto from celestron. where the meade will show you objects you can goto, the celestron will show you everything and when I goto it, the scope will point to below horizon! this make me more cautious on what to key in.
also, I noted 90% of the time, the scope always take the longer route to goto the object, eg turning 350 deg instead of 10 deg for a nearby object and there is no way for me to cancel the goto once its commanded. as a result, my fresh alkaline batteries were exhausted by 3 am. in fact, at 2am, it was becoming lethargic. different from my etx experience where a fresh set can last me 2-3 obs. I will have to get an external battery pack (more weight!).

For performance, it has been as expected. with 8" aperture now, objects are no longer as dim as compared with my ex- etx105. I could see the ring M57 clearly and even the dumbell is well defined. The only negative point is the sky condition which was not very good to start with. the benchmark M31 appeared only as a less defined dim glow even on the N8.
Over the 6 hrs, I tried out my new focal reducer, burgess bino-viewer (17mm too high! I need to get a Meade 32mm to complement my existing one. ). I noticed the binoviewer was a little too heavy for the single fork armed and there was alot of image shaking. But overall, I had to agree that 8" is a min for people who are serious about the hobby. the ETX, while performing admirably could not yield the type of images in such a clear manner. the swan now look distinct and clear where it was only a blurred outlline on my ETX.
aperture wins! well...almost. in comparison, with Elton's Tak 102 which was next to mine, his wide views are a joy to see! He managed almost to fill the entire Veil in his FOV....nice.
Objects I cycled included M1, M2, M6, M7, M8, M11, M15, M17, M20, M22, M27, M31, M41, M45 (with focal reducer!), M57, NGC7000 (yes but partially only!!), NGC253, Tucanae 47, Blue Snowball and a whole list that Elton rattled to me. Consisted of a couple of galaxies that were brighter than M31 on that night, globular and open clusters.
richard low helped me with collimation as mine was out and this helped for Mars and Saturn's image. I also noticed some quirks in the way the motor engages itself. may have to ask albert from science centre to take a look if his support is affordable. goto was not really as good as the autostar but this is expected from the first generation of celestron goto.
I am not more familair with the scope and hopefully will have a more fruitful outing on the next trip.

ok...on to you mooey... :lol:
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Hey Airconvent, my name is Lim Yang Beng... not Bing.. hehe. Yah.. I brought the C5 with microstar deluxe and my heater system to test that night. Actually it was the first time I was testing it outfield.. I tested it indoor by putting my cheapo EP in the fridge and taking out to condense but have not tried it on the field. Thankfully it worked well and I now know what temperature setting works best to keep away the dew and not to overheat the scope and to save battery life (though not essential with my 17Ah batt). I'm glad that I had a good time there .. able to look at other people's scope and setup and get good ideas on how to improve my scope. Saw many objects that night that are in reach with the C5.. mainly clusters in less familiar southern skies; the Tucanae 47 was good though. However, sadly need a an 8 inch to resolve those globular clusters and see some details on the galaxies. The view thru Elton's refractor was nice... hehe..never seen Mars so big and got detail. Saw about 10 meteors.. saw one meteor thru my scope.. yeah... and saw one satellite thru scope and 2 with naked eye. Also tested my light sabre.. really bright... but rather disappointed with my laser mount.. as it is too flimsy to properly zero it with my C5. Guess I have to make improvements to that in the future. On the whole.. enjoyable trip.
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Hi,
The group photo for the trip... hope I get all the names correct... hee hee =P

Have a nice day.
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Wow great picture, AKA, "Astronomers of Singapore"
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hi yang beng,
got your name rigtht this time!
man, I think the driver's name was arifin or something like that.
if you had gotten him hooked on astronomt, maybe next time he will drive you all there for free with his new scope! hah hah

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Aiyah, don't pressure Mooey lah.. ;)

Here are the targets that I got for the night with my 6" newt, roughly in order:

M6
M7
M22
M8
M20
M24
M17
M11 wild duck
Collinder 299 coathanger
Albireo
M27 dumbell
Ngc 869, 884 double cluster
M15 -Beautiful glob in Peg
M110
M32
M31 Andromeda
M33
M76 little dumbbell
M34
M45
M1 Crab - 1st time for me
M42, 43 Orion - beautiful wings
M78
Ngc 2244 Rosette neb
Ngc 2264 christmas tree cluster
M35
M36
M37
M38 - beautiful OCs in Aug.
Ngc 2392 eskimo neb - 1st time! Can see some filaments.
M41
M50
M46
M47
Ngc 2477 - Always beautiful
M93 - one of my favourites
ngc? - in Mon? Triangular shaped OC.

Caught Mars and Saturn as well in other scopes. Mars showed plenty of mouth watering details in Elton's FS102. Saturn was a nice sight after a couple of months. The rings were noticeably at a different angle from when I last saw it. The planet's circumference now peeks out from the ring.

Thanks Weixing, Rlow, for organising the trip. Hope everyone had fun!

Cheers,
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Hi Chris
I'm ashamed...with goto and saw lesser stuff than you!
Most of the time, I was getting ngc feeds from elton ...thanks!
looks like I have to sit down and plan in advance on the objects to see ..
and thanks for reminding me...not pressuring mooey...just want to hear what he thought about the trip , especially since this is the first time he is going cold turkey from being spoilt with the Spinx recently ..heh heh

and have to agree on rlow and the organising team..nice trip!
the coffee was a helpful touch during the session...

but in the morning, I almost fell asleep 4-5 times driving back to Singapore at xxx km/h to try and avoid the morning jams...kept myself awake singing loudly to myself. anyone driving beside me would be seeing this chap seemingly shouting to himself! I must be fast as this is the first time Matthew did not catch up with me....hope I did not kannah (get) any summon going there and coming back..

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Re: Mersing Obs Expedition (1-2 Oct 05) Trip Report

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Airconvent wrote: also, I noted 90% of the time, the scope always take the longer route to goto the object, eg turning 350 deg instead of 10 deg for a nearby object and there is no way for me to cancel the goto once its commanded.
Hello Rich! Finally you see the big-aperture light! :) To avoid the merry-go-round, access the Nexstar menu and turn "cord-wrap" off. But unfortunately, the Celestron software is really dumb and does not save your cord-wrap settings between sessions :roll:

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Scanning the milky way with a widefield scope was a lot of fun but small refractors simply don't have the aperture for anything more than the brightest deep sky stuff. At low mags and with a very widefield, it was interesting to see the deep sky objects much smaller than I'm used to seeing them and embedded in a rich background of stars. Framing M8 and M20 in the same field was quite stunning. Framing the veil in the fov was also fun but the amount of filamentary detail seen was nowhere compared to the teleport.
Also spent some time comparing the planetary views between the tak and Rich's N8 (the classic 4" apo vs 8"sct shootout) and found a mixed result. On mars (200-350x), the view though the tak was obviously better. Low contrast markings were clearer and the polar cap was well defined. The N8 showed the polar cap less defined and could barely make out the edges of the dark surface markings. On Saturn, the N8 fared better because it was brighter and gave a more pleasant image. The tak was much dimmer at the high mags required for critical viewing. I also thought the N8 also resolved slightly better.

Another positive Mersing experience.
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APO vs SCT ( will never be able to compare this 2 scopes effectively), its like having an apple and also trying to eat it, the best is to have both....:)
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